it’s not illegal to record a call without telling the other party, although it’s a courtesy and it would defeat any argument about a reasonable expectation of privacy, it’s *not* breaking “the law”.

it’s not even a breach of license. (implicit licence to use the telecommunications equipment)
you’re only required to inform a caller you are recording a call if you want to make the recording available to a third party, and if you breach that, you’re breaching your license, not breaking the telecommunications act.

You would only be breaking the law if your implicit licence to use telecommunications equipment were revoked by the regulator (say, for repeated breach of licence), and you still used telecommunications equipment.

There *is* a specific law, however, about interception of telecommunications, but that relates to a third party intercepting communications where neither party A or B knows about it.

That’s how I understand it anyway.

After getting nowhere with the call centre person I requested that they put me on to their supervisor which they (eventually) did.

I requested the logging number for the call but was told they didn’t have one (yeah, right) so I got the name of the Supervisor and the time of the call. I also discovered that the calls are recorded – even though they don’t tell you this and are therefore breaking the law.

So, I had made “all reasonable attempts” to pay the tax but been unable to do so.

I wonder if this would work with a second or third ticket?

Bob

Just because a Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) gave you a parking ticket, it doesn’t automatically mean that he/she was right to do so. A lot of parking fines are cancelled due to being issued incorrectly so I always suggest challenging ALL Penalty Charge Notices as you have got nothing to lose. Just make sure you try to write to the council within 14 days of receiving the parking ticket so if your reason is rejected, you can pay the fine at the lower rate (they will keep the fine at the lower rate while they deal with your case). If the council rejects the reasons you have given, write to them again. I have heard from a lot of motorists and motorcyclists that Westminster City Council will always reject your first informal challenge in the hope that you will just pay up and go away. So if Westminster’s Parking Department does reject your challenge, write to them again. If you still don’t have any luck then you can make a formal representation. If Westminster still won’t cancel the parking ticket, then you can appeal to the independent Parking Adjudicator at the Traffic and Parking Appeals Service (PATAS) but unfortunately you will need to wait until you receive the Notice To Owner (NTO) by post (this will be sent to the registered keeper of your vehicle).

It’s always a good idea to take photos to back up your appeal. For example, if you parked your bike in a motorcycle parking bay with a damaged or missing sign (Rathboned) and a traffic warden issues you a ticket, make sure you take a picture as this sort of evidence can really support your case.

I’ve managed to get Westminster Council to cancel loads of parking tickets for all sorts of reasons… parking on double yellow lines, pavement parking, parking in a residents parking bay without a permit, parking in a pay and display bay without displaying a pay and display voucher …I could go on and on.

If Westminster Council want to make life hard for bikers by charging us to park and making us use the ridiculous Verrus Pay By Phone system, then I think we should make it as difficult as possible for them to get their hands on hour money.

If you need any help appealing a City of Westminster parking ticket, visit the NTBPT Forum http://forum.notobikeparkingtax.com

I recently got a fine in the city of london by the city of london police for not showing my correct tax disk.I have a vespa 50cc and it is very hard to show the disk on the bike as the casing its to go in is rusted shut.
I always keep the new tax disk on me just incase i get stopped, shorely the city of london police can look it up on their data base to see that i have the up to date tax disk.
I am also very consious that the disks get stolen as well.
however looking on the parking fine it says that my bike is a manual when it is a automatic do you think i have the right to appeal against the £60.00 fine

many thanks

Arron